francois wrote:

A "big tipper" is always appreciated by the boys.

Although the difference in service will be indiscernible

Singapore--I agree with you that that is what it seemed to be for so many years--that Btown lads had a better "quality" to them and the bars were more selective in whom they hired, but many recent visits over the past several years certainly demonstrates that this is changing--you can find a great deal of the skinny, nellie types in BTown bars and not the buff, older types, but the long in the tooth, past their expiration types in certain Btown bars.  I think it remains true that those looking for young, younger and the youngest still head off to Sunee.

OK. Still, all things being equal, wouldn't you expect younger boys (mostly from Sunee) to get better tips than older boys (mostly from Boyztown)? I'm talking legal age only here.

malexan wrote:

OK. Still, all things being equal, wouldn't you expect younger boys (mostly from Sunee) to get better tips than older boys (mostly from Boyztown)? I'm talking legal age only here.

Yes, malexan -- I certainly would.  The issue is that most of the offerings down in Sunee Plaza are trash.  Runaways, drug addicts, street urchins, and other marginable "boys" who wouldn't be allowed in a Boys Town bar.

[quote="lonelywombat"][quote="joseph44"]Is this about tips or short time fees.
2 different things imho.[/quote]

Really I would like to know what you think the difference is. IMHO they are the same[/quote]

Tip: boys sat with you for the time that you're in a bar. Usually around THB 200 or even less if you just give a dancer on stage THB 20 as a guesture.
Off fee: the fee, you have to pay to "off" a boy. Usually between THB 200 and THB 600 depending on location and position.
Boys fee: (short time fee - long time fee): the fee you pay to the boy for the services offered and used. Short time fee from THB 500 up to ........ you, and long time fees from THB 1000 up to ......you either.

So that's a tip, off fee and boys' fee. IMHO different things.

Why there is a difference between BoyzTown and Sunnee? Ask a boy from BoyzTown and the answer will be: "Boys in Sunnee are bad boys, take yaabaa, young boys" , and and and everything that's bad. So, basically the BoyzTown boys think that they are of a better "quality" and a well known fact is, that better quality has its price.

Singapore & Joseph: you guys are a little harsh (by that I mean quite harsh :) ); I have trouble considering what the "quality" of a group od people might be; everybody is different, had their own path in life, made their own choices. I don't think it makes much sense to talk about the "quality" of one group vs another? Or even the "quality" of one person as if it was somehow objectively measurable.

malexan wrote:

Singapore & Joseph: you guys are a little harsh (by that I mean quite harsh :) ); I have trouble considering what the "quality" of a group od people might be; everybody is different, had their own path in life, made their own choices. I don't think it makes much sense to talk about the "quality" of one group vs another? Or even the "quality" of one person as if it was somehow objectively measurable.

Let's put it this way, malexan.  If you are qualified to work as a waiter at La Tour d'Argent, you certainly don't accept a job as a floor mopper at McDonald's.  Likewise, if you can get a job in Boystown, you take it.  The dregs float back down to Sunee Plaza.

How is that quality measured? Looks? Performance? Grooming? For me, its all down to the personal taste of the buyer, rather than the seller.

Singapore Sexpat wrote:

malexan wrote:

OK. Still, all things being equal, wouldn't you expect younger boys (mostly from Sunee) to get better tips than older boys (mostly from Boyztown)? I'm talking legal age only here.

Yes, malexan -- I certainly would.  The issue is that most of the offerings down in Sunee Plaza are trash.  Runaways, drug addicts, street urchins, and other marginable "boys" who wouldn't be allowed in a Boys Town bar.

Singapore, while I agree with you about the boys in several of bars in Sunee you have over generalized to make a point and in doing so you have made your post totally inaccurate and misleading to the new visitor.  Many of the boys in in Sunee used to work in Boyz Town as Go Go Boys and have chosen to put their clothes on and work in the host/beer bars of Sunee where the local expats and long time visitors generally hang out.  Once the boys have learned English they no longer need to dance in their underwear to attract business; they can use charm and conversation. Two of the boys I know who used work in Sunee are college graduates with excellent English language skills and has found love; one now lives in Norway and the other in Germany. One of the boys has a degree in Civil Engineering and another a degree in History. The boys, also, think that they have a better chance of finding "love" in a host bar where they decide who they talk with, drink with and leave the bar on an off with.  I know several Farang that find the host bars intimidating because the boys don't have to talk with them, drink with them, or leave with them. Insecurity has made more than one of them bitter about visiting Beer/Host Bars of Sunee.

Rather than pass judgment on Sunee from an antiseptic distance, as you obviously have done, I would suggest that you visit bars like Come In Bar, Green Chairs or Oud's new bar when it opens shortly in Sunee before you mouth off in ignorance and generalize about what a terrible place Sunee is and what trash the boys that work their are.

Soi 10 Tom wrote:

Rather than pass judgment on Sunee from an antiseptic distance, as you obviously have done.

I was in Sunee Plaza as recently as three days ago, so there is no distance.

While there may be a few diamonds in the rough there, I stand by my generalization.

[quote="malexan"]Singapore & Joseph: you guys are a little harsh (by that I mean quite harsh :) ); I have trouble considering what the "quality" of a group od people might be; everybody is different, had their own path in life, made their own choices. I don't think it makes much sense to talk about the "quality" of one group vs another? Or even the "quality" of one person as if it was somehow objectively measurable.[/quote]

If you read my post correctly, you could have read, that boys from BoyzTown have the opinion that they're kind of upscale, superior or even of a better quality compared to the Sunnee boys.

joseph44 wrote:

malexan wrote:

Singapore & Joseph: you guys are a little harsh (by that I mean quite harsh :) ); I have trouble considering what the "quality" of a group od people might be; everybody is different, had their own path in life, made their own choices. I don't think it makes much sense to talk about the "quality" of one group vs another? Or even the "quality" of one person as if it was somehow objectively measurable.

If you read my post correctly, you could have read, that boys from BoyzTown have the opinion that they're kind of upscale, superior or even of a better quality compared to the Sunnee boys.

As I said in another thread, the wolf pack here has very poor reading comprehension.

joseph44 wrote:

malexan wrote:

Singapore & Joseph: you guys are a little harsh (by that I mean quite harsh :) ); I have trouble considering what the "quality" of a group od people might be; everybody is different, had their own path in life, made their own choices. I don't think it makes much sense to talk about the "quality" of one group vs another? Or even the "quality" of one person as if it was somehow objectively measurable.

If you read my post correctly, you could have read, that boys from BoyzTown have the opinion that they're kind of upscale, superior or even of a better quality compared to the Sunnee boys.

OK - I had assumed you endorsed that opinion, my bad.

Singapore - why would a runaway get a smaller tip than a non-runaway for example? What would that have to do with anything?

I've been spending some time in TopMan bar in Sunnee Plaza.  I think the boys there are, generally speaking, good looking and personable.  I see no need to generalize about the Sunnee Boys and say that just because they're working in the Plaza they're 'second rate'.  Lulu has added a number of very nice looking boys to his group.  If you want tattooed, he's got a couple.  If you want boy next door, he's got them too.  The lady boy I saw a week or so ago is gone.  There's even a muscle boy for those that like that sort.  None are too old.  None are underage.  

I've been offing a couple of them, and were it not that i'd get my eyes scratched out, I'd take #39 off for an audition.  

Generalizations are ok, but they don't always apply to every venue in Sunnee.

imho

malexan wrote:

Singapore - why would a runaway get a smaller tip than a non-runaway for example? What would that have to do with anything?

Boystown had nicer, more presentable boys.  That is why they are more expensive.  Anyone can work at a Sunee Plaza bar, you only need two arms and two legs.  You can have head lice, scabies, and kennel cough, and you can still work there.  Standards are higher in Boystown.  And that's the truth.