allieb wrote:

My point was that so many people, (Judge yourselves) fly business and then get very mean at destination. They complain that their income isn't as much as it used to be and make sacrifices and start penny pinching.

Are you referring to your acquaintances or posters here?

I am not aware of anyone who does that.

allieb wrote:

First of all  the type of person I want to fuck never travels anything but economy. I always use Arab airlines to Thailand and transiting through Amman Dubai or Doha there is always the chance of getting together with a Thai overseas worker on his way home for vacation. Secondly the money one saves can buy an awful lot of extras in Thailand.

I have never fucked anyone on an airplane and I have to say that meeting some one on the plane is not a priority for me.

Flying for basically a day is not fun no matter what class, but you sound like some one who has never actually experience business class, especially for such long flights. You can't even really compare it to flying in economy. As long as you are on a good airline the level of comfort is several orders of magnitude higher. Having so much more space around you is a lot more comfortable. And if you, like me, are unable to sleep in a sitting position then being able to lie flat is invaluable. Plus lounge access at the airport is a big perk.

Luckily for me I have collected enough frequent flier miles to be able to fly up front for "free". I was in business class last year on ANA and will be again this year. All I had to pay was about $50 in taxes and a small booking fee.

So, your attempts to paint everyone who ever rides in business class as some sort of inferior person who spend big bucks to fly and then nothing on the ground have fallen flat.  

All comes down to personal preference, whatever the reason.  
I fly economy because when I get to Thailand I prefer to spend my money on what I consider more important things in my life there.  But I'm only 72 kilos (160 lbs) and 5'10" . . . fit into an economy seat without a problem and can fall asleep there almost instantaneously.  My only proviso is an aisle seat on the long haul parts (i.e. Vancouver/Narita for instance) to make moving around a bit to stretch the legs much easier.  The 777's which United uses across the Pacific have only 2 abreast seats on the window sides which makes things even more (reasonably) comfortable.

Don't care about airport lounges . . . like to wander the halls of Asian airports leering at sweet Asian asses (so many!).  Don't care about airline food in economy (of course, mediocre at best) as I refuse at least one of them ~ sometimes two ~ because I hate that bloated feeling while mostly sitting in a chair for 10 hours.  Easy to please I'd say  

I'd just rather spend my money eslewhere is all, and do not give a second thought to the extra room and service the boys and girls upfront may be getting.  Good for them.  Making judgements about people's motives in choosing business or economy class is a silly game and accomplishes nothing . . . . your preferences being "up to you".

Cheers & happy skies ...

Beachlover wrote:

i think if your income is above a certain level it's worth the extra cost... i'm little so i feel comfortable in economy, but after 10hrs, I still feel a bit buggered coming off economy...

business does give you much more room... much more comfortable and better food/service so much more pleasant.

i think it comes down to income and how big u are... i do agree tho, business is a lot more than economy... so for most it's not worth it

One should always live above one's income ! ( did Oscar Wilde say that or was it Mrs O'B ?)

Why not?   :-)

(Unless you are just telling us all how to behave, miss schoolmarm.)

The Premium and Business seats on EVA airlines look  both spacious and lovely as I walk past them on my way back to where I sit, but I agree with those who feel there are better things to do with the money saved.  HOWEVER, after trying the marginal upgrade from standard economy to what they alternately call Evergreen Deluxe and Elite class I have not flown in standard economy again, and here's why:

Being close to 6' 5" and over 200 pounds myself I find it difficult to fold myself up into a seat just over 18" wide where my knees are within 3" of the seat in front of me.  God forbid the person ahead of me is one of those who abruptly shoves their chair back into a recline despite my polite request at the start of the flight for some warning to avoid hobbling me.

EVA's minor upgrade to Deluxe or Elite gives you what I'd guess is about 5 inches more legroom and a better seat pitch when you recline it.  I can't say as the food is much better, if at all (most airline food's too salty for my liking, anyway, unless I plan to arrive with most of the fluid imbibed still in me).  I can actually recline and stretch my legs out straight to sleep in these seats.

A simple search on their site for the same flight dates - not exactly an apples to apples comparison, but close - showed

$1,130 / $1270 for standard Economy
$1,480 / $1,630 for Evergreen Deluxe or Elite and
$4,455 / $4,694 for Super Business or Laurel.

Even taking the upgraded economy instead of business, that's a difference of around $3,000.  That difference could buy two more round trip tickets, pay for all other expenses on a fairly comfy two to three week stay or put at least 20 Thai kids through a year of schooling - but I'll make that pitch in another post soon.  I can justify the addtional few hundred.

I know there are special deals, promotional fares and the likes... but overall I can't justify spending thousands more for what's offered in the seats up front.  I agree, good for those who do - but it seems needless to me.  

...I think a $45K+ auto is an obscenity, too, but from what I see cutting in front of me on the freeways here I'm apparently in the minority.

My two satang.

I just purchased a business class ticket r/t from Bangkok to LAX on EVA for 84,000 baht net.  That's only about $2,500.00.

fedssocr wrote:

I have never fucked anyone on an airplane and I have to say that meeting some one on the plane is not a priority for me

Neither have I fucked anybody on a plane but I have exchanged phone numbers with other passengers many times which has led to some very pleasant sexual experiences.

Brad the Impala wrote:

allieb wrote:

My point was that so many people, (Judge yourselves) fly business and then get very mean at destination. They complain that their income isn't as much as it used to be and make sacrifices and start penny pinching.

Are you referring to your acquaintances or posters here?

I am not aware of anyone who does that.

I have met countless people in Pattaya who do it and are they posters here? I have no idea since everybody except a few on this board are anonymous

allieb wrote:

Brad the Impala wrote:

allieb wrote:

My point was that so many people, (Judge yourselves) fly business and then get very mean at destination. They complain that their income isn't as much as it used to be and make sacrifices and start penny pinching.

Are you referring to your acquaintances or posters here?

I am not aware of anyone who does that.

I have met countless people in Pattaya who do it and are they posters here? I have no idea since everybody except a few on this board are anonymous

Your acquaintances then.

Why Business Class?  The steward asked, "what wine would you prefer?"  I prefer champagne!  "No problem, I will open a bottle for you sir".

The only time when Business class is acceptable is on flights that don't have a proper First Class.  

The flight for me is just an inconvenience to be got out of the way as cheaply as possible. I'm with "Smiles", a pair of earplugs and I sleep most of the way and would refuse champagne even if it was offered. Not bothered about the food either as I don't mind not eating for a day if it's that bad. I certainly wouldn't pay extra for leg room or food etc for just a few hours. I've much better things to spend my money on when I get to Thailand.

As a frequent flyer not only to Thailand, which I've been visiting for twenty years, I haven't got any horror stories about fellow passengers. The worst I can remember was a baby that got on my nerves a bit but decent ear plugs take care of that.

The one thing which does annoy me is unreliable service which is why I avoid British Airways.

Please, just take your Valium and you won't notice a bit of discomfort.

I've found something better than business class (for me, anyway). I fly economy on Emirates from London with a long stopover in Dubai. There's a five star hotel in the departure lounge at Dubai airport where you can hire a room by the hour (so not too expensive). So, after a 7 hour day flight london to Dubai (depart 1.30pm), I get a good night's sleep, followed by another 6.5 hour day flight dubai to Bangkok, arriving late afternoon. Perfect.