Hi guys,

This forum has had some discussion about tipping; I advocate generous tipping. During recent visits to Thailand, I sometimes spent 5000 baht or more for a good hotel room for a day. We should give as much as we can afford for excellent service. Of course, we also must be polite, respectful, and elegant.



Tips for service at go-go bars:

--200-300 baht for boys that sit with me for a while

--400 baht for mamasans or papasans that provide good information and advice

--at least 100 baht for waiters and excellent dancers



at least 1500 for boys that accompany me to restaurants and bars for a couple of hours



at least 3000 for excellent, short term "intimate services"

at least 6000 for excellent, all night service,



bonus of at least an additional 2000 for very handsome guys who provide excellent bottom service and are willing to do threesomes.



My visits to Thailand are unfortunately far too short because of the demands of my expanding businesses. I want to adequately compensate the Thai guys for the happiness they provide.  I have had no complaints, but sometimes I feel I am being too cheap.

Edited by: Smiles2 at: 7/7/04 8:32 am

 

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Edited by: loeploh and nalac at: 7/1/04 7:04 pm

One more thing.  If because of your over generosity you become known by the boys as a soft touch ~ and as has been said before on these boards, the boys do talk to one another ~ then you are likely to receive very plausible and heart wrenching pleas for an extra 2000 for this, or an extra 3000 for that.  Be careful not to become 'Christmas' for some of these lads!  It may sour an otherwise pleasurable encounter when you have to say NO.

Dick

Edited by: Dick at: 7/1/04 7:20 pm

For the record:



My businesses are in Europe. I have NEVER done business in Thailand or with Thai clients. I now have 27 full-time employees, including two on maternity leave (with full salary). My employees have about ten nationalities, but none are Thai.  My employees are the key to the success of my business, and I pay them well and have very little turnover of staff.



I come to Thailand purely for vacation.  I have only made a few short trips, and will continue to tip very generously for excellent service. I believe that we should all tip the guys as generously as we can.

Edited by: jan8888 at: 7/2/04 10:57 am

Dear Colonel,

I agree with you on this 100%.



I feel that since making us happy is just another job to the boiz, then we would be utter fools to allow our own ill-placed sentiments to cloud our judgement of things. I would and do pay or tip, if you want to put it that way, according to how well I am served.



I am not saying that there aren't good and meaningful relationships formed between working boiz and their clients or that love occasionally blooms, after all, they did find moss growing on the barren moon, didn't they? But I do feel that too many people are falling for the five-minute "I love you" from a pretty face.



We pay for cleaning, laundry and garbage disposal. I don't see many of these people falling in love with their cleaners, washermen or garbage disposers even after they've been working for them for years. And it really wouldn't surprise me if these worthy if less facially blessed folk are actually worth much more than our occasional dalliances in the long run.



How come nobody ever asks how much the lady who cleans our hotel room should be tipped?



Tao

Still perky, quirky and kinky!

Edited by: taoboxer at: 7/3/04 7:41 pm

You're right, Davey. I really should adopt the good Colonel's attitude to life. It's too short to waste time worrying about what others think. No more snide asides, I promise you.



Tao

Still perky, quirky and kinky!

Edited by: taoboxer at: 7/5/04 6:06 am

If you tell me where you live, I'll give you the adress of a good brain doctor.

Over tippers generaly have a problem of self esteem. They think over tipping makes them a better person. It is a kind of therapy.

You are giving far too much in tips, for services. Just like the saying " More money than sense. "  

Do you also light your 2000 Bt cigars with burning 1000 Bt notes? Over tipping is a form of bragging.



How nice of you to remind these people of the vastness of their economic inferiority.

Just to tell you dear jan8888 that you can behave the way you want, this does not make you the norm.



You are out of touch with reality (if your post is not a fantasy).

 

So guys, what WOULD be an acceptable tip for the short term (ie hour or so) and the long term (as in overnight) service?



I was told that Short term is 1000 THB and over night is 1500 THB to 3000 THB depending on the level of comfort,   caring   and satisfaction...



No doubt the "tippees" would be happier with the sort of tips as suggested in the first post, but the "tipper" would be happier with less...a LOT less.



If one can tip 10% in a hotel for a good meal, why not 10% for good sex. LOL

 

I have great sympathy for jan8888. Just like a lot of people think coffee farmers should get a fair price for their product and not the actual "market price", maybe we should start a similar movement for the Thai boys. The prices jan8888 has in mind are still vastly cheaper then the ones in New York, London or the other European capitals. An escort agency in New York asks $ 300,- for the first hour and $ 200,00 for consecutive hours. Yes that's also the fare if you take your escort out to dinner. Even in Eastern European capitals you have to pay a lot. An agency in Budapest asks $ 400,00 for the first hour. Long term rates are cheaper, that is they are cheaper if you measure by the hour. If you want to take a boy on holiday for a couple of weeks you would pay in Amsterdam € 500,00 per day, plus of course all costs for the boy but that goes without saying.

So jan8888 proposals do have my sympathy. People that can afford to live in the Western capitals, and are hopefully for them even there in a position that they could afford a boy at the local rate, should not be so mean an give $ 22,00 for a short time off. If they give a tip of that amount at a local boy on top of the $ 300,00 fare he would probably damn them.  

Having recently had a similar frank conversation with a few Thai 'friends' and 'captains' in Pattaya, I have come to the following conclusions:

In Sunee:-

A boy (18up) would expect to receive 600/700 short time, rising to 1000/1200 long time.

In Boyz Town, short time would be no less than 1000 and 1500 minimum for long time, although many prefer short time only.  I would put Bangkok on a par with Boyz Town.

That said, I don't think anyone using a global guide of 1000 short time, 1500 long time would put a foot wrong.  It's not an ungenerous tip.  You might be inclined to increase these levels by say up to 500Baht Max in boyz Town, for guys with looks/bodies to die for and who performed with dedication over and above the call of duty.  I think anything over 2000 Baht is tending towards the excessive, although as they say, up to you!  



Possibly the fat old bastards among us might feel inclined to up the ante a little in recognition of the extra effort required by the boy to satisfy us.  And if I'm honest, a fat old bastard wouldn't turn me on to keep my pecker up all night!  So yes, a little extra for 'professionalism' is appreciated.  On the long time question, you might also be inclined to up the ante or make separate additional monetary gestures, if you off'd the boy on successive day/nights, and he accompanied you on the beach, nightclub, karaoke, restaurant, etc. i.e. more or less 'full time'.  Visits to the mobile phone and gold shops, or the boutiques don't count.



 

Dick

I have a friend who lived here in Pattaya for many years (a rather well-off guy in his 70s).  He was a very generous tipper and finally it happened just like Dick said:  boys were contantly bothering him for money.  Friends of friends of friends would come up to him on the beach or in the bars.



He finally had to stop going to the beach altogether and rarely went out to the bars.  He has had to change his mobile number several times to avoid being hassled by boys.



Finally he moved to Chiang Mai earlier this year and I'm sure this was one of the main reasons.



A rather extreme example, but a lesson to be learned about over tipping!