Cedric, does this occur EVERYTIME YOU GO OUT TO EAT at a restaurant of fine cuisine?  Maybe these chaps were celebrating some special occasion; for, most of  us who DO work in Thailand (not on holiday or retired) have a given lunch hour to follow. I am sure you (like all of us) get a bit loud and tipsy when you're with a group celebrating some special event in a restaurant.
Here's something to try to make you feel better: Sit down and have a KFC grilled chicken sandwich next to the jungle gym for kids at KFC!

(Maybe this is  why I like room service in a decent hotel)

thrillbill wrote:

Cedric, does this occur EVERYTIME YOU GO OUT TO EAT at a restaurant of fine cuisine?  Maybe these chaps were celebrating some special occasion; for, most of  us who DO work in Thailand (not on holiday or retired) have a given lunch hour to follow. I am sure you (like all of us) get a bit loud and tipsy when you're with a group celebrating some special event in a restaurant.
Here's something to try to make you feel better: Sit down and have a KFC grilled chicken sandwich next to the jungle gym for kids at KFC!

(Maybe this is  why I like room service in a decent hotel)

Yes its very common. No I dont get loud and tipsy at restaurants or shout at anyone, I dont even do that at clubs, I do get tipsy but I am able to control myself and never ever fail to be respectful of anyone around me. I would hate myself for causing even the slightest bit of fear or concern. I've been known to demolish a hotel room or two but thats been strictly between me and my alter ego. If people want to let rip they must charter the whole restaurant.

Yes I mean to try KFC one day, just I make a delicious olive oil sea salt and lemon lightly crumbed rosemary chicken with just the lightest sprinkle of cayenne myself.

I'm sure your  not a snob no  matter what Beryl Says, beware any thought you may  at times feel a bit better than you are. the  poor Col. Will have none of it.

Wes

Wesley wrote:

I'm sure your  not a snob no  matter what Beryl Says, beware any thought you may  at times feel a bit better than you are. the  poor Col. Will have none of it.

Wes

That was obvious in my post wasn't it?
I just think piss drunk and restaurant don't go together. I also think although the French have the reputation of being the most obnoxious tourists, really the most obnoxious tourists, visitors, expats of any nationalité are the drunks. Unfortunately they happen to be corprate types and swamping decent restaurants in Bangkok.

There are a few restaurants I go to that are mostly Thai (plus the odd gay fallang and friend) middle class and preppy perhaps but none of this happens, even with a bar upstairs. I hate the cultural insensitivity its insulting and embarrassing.

Cedric wrote:

" ... Yes I mean to try KFC one day, just I make a delicious olive oil sea salt and lemon lightly crumbed rosemary chicken with just the lightest sprinkle of cayenne myself ... "

OK that's it ... Cedric is a pretentious boor, nothing more, nothing less, and older than purported years.  
None but that (including the troll Chao Na/Boygeenyus) invite any less than the Ignore Feature.

Cheers ...

Cedric wrote:

J

It's got nothing to do with being a snob nothing at all or for a distaste for corporate America. Or how successful a restaurant should be allowed to get. Its got all to do with the behaviour of the patrons. It's simply unacceptable.



Yes and Bangkok is still full of gentle smiling people, there might be even more in the provinces but why should Bangkok suffer. They are yobs and thats all there is too it, British and Australian middle management are uninteresting yobs and are the worst culprits, the Americans not far behind. The French can behave themselves the Italians can, in fact most can, and most importantly the Thai's do.



Its just unacceptable for the rest of us. Some people might have to save up hard to take a loved one to such place how truly disgusting that their night should be ruined. That they should even witness this. They are no better than louts walking down the street holding bear bottles and harassing local woman.

I have not been able to decide whether you work for a living, whether you a native of Hong Kong or what nationality you claim. Obviously you have money but is it new money or inherited.

homintern is on your IGNORE list.

Smiles wrote:

Cedric wrote:

" ... Yes I mean to try KFC one day, just I make a delicious olive oil sea salt and lemon lightly crumbed rosemary chicken with just the lightest sprinkle of cayenne myself ... "

OK that's it ... Cedric is a pretentious boor, nothing more, nothing less, and older than purported years.  
Cheers ...

Neither have I ever eaten at Mc Donalds why would I? Why is that so strange, we didn't even have mc Donalds when I was a child in Kenya, by the time I got to Europe the horror stories were well established. I don't eat food cooked in industrial oils. Hardly pretentious just a dietary caution.

 I think its less a case of me "being older than purported years" and Smiles being one foot in the grave. Im a generation that was saved some of your excesses. Not that difficult to understand surely, but then on second thoughts for you perhaps it is. Verging towards anti globalisation also plays a small part I suppose.

" What a surprise I was in for. Before I even got to the door I could hear strange rude crude shouting sounds like people where screaming at one another. I thought perhaps a little tiff, but it was not so when I went in, it was packed with corporate louts, drunk to their eyeballs screaming at the top of their voices to one-another and behaving in a completely unacceptable way. The food was totally secondary, if anyone was even noticing it I would be very surprised.

Before I had even sat down I was rudely bumped out of the way by a drunk expat loudly making his way to the toilet down the pool deck grasping a three quarters empty red wine to his stained chest. I moved tables three times the noise and vulgarity was so intense"

I do apologise-Homintern and I do get carried away at times.      

I think the WORST behavior I have ever seen in a restaurant was about five years ago in the Bua Restaurant on Soi Convent.

The offender was a Japanese businessman having (apparently) dinner with his Thai counterpart.

When we entered the restaurant, he was speaking very (VERY) loudly into his cell-phone in Japanese, and he continued doing exactly that during the entire time we were in the place.  The staff had frozen smiles pasted on their faces, but clearly wished that he would go.  The most pathetic victim was his Thai counterpart, who from time to time would make certain gestures indicating that they were "having dinner together," while the Japanese a*shole continued bellowing into his cell-phone.

He was still bellowing when we left.  I don't think he was a bit drunk -- just incredibly rude.  Stopping the sale of alcohol in restaurants (a silly idea, anyway) wouldn't have slowed him down a bit.

And Smiles, what's the matter??  Doesn't that chicken of Cedric's sound, well, finger-lickin' good????

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And Smiles, what's the matter??  Doesn't that chicken of Cedric's sound, well, finger-lickin' good????

Jammie !

Yes cell phone abuse is terrible. A few places like the American club ban their use. And rightly so. But drunk managment are by far and away the worst spoilers of a nice meal out with your loved one. Friday night is the worst.  But it can unfortunately happen any old time.

Yes banning alcohol is a draconian idea, and ruins a good night out for a lot of decent people too. But how else do you discourage them? Seems perfectly acceptable to ask diners not to use mobile phones, but not acceptable to ask them not to get piss roaring drunk and scream the house down?

The Smily finger lickin good issue is fascinating me. It puts the age of certain posters here into perspective.  I understand Asia is different in this respect and that someone like Smily has lived most of his life in limbus, not quite European and not quite American, but surely there are some at least young people in Canada that he knows that don't eat Mc Donald's or Kentucky? Have they not benefited at least just a little from the French exception.
  
When I was at school just under a good decade ago, it was considered off limits. Not only was it American but it could kill. Famine food, for the charvers.

In a real emergency Im more likely to grab a Boots sandwich or even a Starfucks one, or papaya salad depending on where I am, who wants a greasy drum stick of dubious origine  for lunch.

Poor Ceddie.  His stay at the $ukothai ruined by a bunch of corporate middle managers.  Quite unlike his tres chic CEO friends in the Executive Suites.  And his favorite restruant in the Penin$ula ruined by the same riff-raff.

Geez, its getting so a snob can't enjoy himself anywhere nowadays....

Hardly ruined. All I wanted was a late bite. Thing is any restaurant that is discovered and that is good is very quickly picked up the corporatdar, and in a matter of months is ruin. Nothing snobbish about it, even my favourite Thai sea food shack on river, has become a hell hole of a corporate pig trough.

The minute a restaurant becomes published it takes a nose dive. I just never expected it to happen so often in Thailand. Shall we blame Tesco's, I cant imagine what all these people are doing in Thailand in the first place.

Your problem is that you stick to the over-priced show-off restaurants that corporate suits and their Amex Corporate cards love.  Seafood shack on the river?  Right...you're probably talking about Baan Klang Nam or Good View or one of those other places that sell prawns for 500 baht a piece.

You will find better food, ambiance, and more interesting dining companions at places that don't even know what a credit card looks like.