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Dboy Meet me at the Nook! 
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 587 Location: Meet me at the Nook!  10.0 Karma 
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Marsilius Veteran Member 
Joined: 11 Jul 2004 Posts: 492 Location: U.K. 10.0 Karma
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Well, I got back on Friday after a week in Morocco - three days in Marrakesh and four in Agadir.
Having been to various moslem countries around the Mediterranean - Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan (maybe not "Mediterranean" - but you know what I mean: it's in the area!) and Turkey - I can say that Morocco feels definitely the most secular one so far. From what I read, that's largely because the late King Hassan was very pro-western (even suggesting, at one point, that Morocco ought to join the European Union!) Furthermore, if you dig around on the internet you will find several references to widespread rumours that the current king, Hassan's son, had a gay past while a student in Belgium where he is said to have been often seen cruising gay bars (he has since married - but I guess that's the sort of thing a king is expected to do!) Anyway, what of the trip? Marrakesh: Very hot at this time of year (especially in the early afternoon). A blast of hot air suddenly literally hits you in the face from nowhere as you climb the roads through the Atlas mountains on the approach from Agadir (a four hour drive). The city is very scenic - especially the old souks where, however, it is very easy to get disorientated and lost. (Thank goodness for that young man who then took us in hand to guide us out again for a few coins!) Re. the gay ambiance, we saw nothing quite as overt as did lonelywombat (see above), but I can well believe what he has to say. The activities in the main square after dark are amazing. As soon as the sun goes down, it seems that every male in the city - and especially every young male - is out there watching the free entertainment (or, from this particular observer's point of view, providing it.) As well as the snake charmers, fortune tellers, professional story tellers and musicians, I especially enjoyed watching an apparently willowy and puny teenager challenging all comers to boxing matches (no gloves!) and winning every bout, prompting serial monetary collections among the crowd. There is certainly a great deal of eye contact and body contact going on in the huge crowds. My companion and I were followed around for more than 20 minutes by one especially persistent young man who seemed to be more interested in the snakes in our trousers than the ones in the charmers' baskets - and who only gave up when he saw that we were not playing ball(s). From the square, we took a 40 minute walk to the Cafe des Nogociants (appropriate name) where the city's money boys reputedly hang out. Sipping our drinks out on the pavement seating, we were soon openly propositioned by a nice young man but, in the immortal words of the old News of the World, we made our excuses and left. Apparently things get going big time at the C des N at about 11pm and we weren't prepared to stay out that long. Agadir: Beautiful climate. Hot sun with great cool breezes straight off the Atlantic. Agadir itself is dreary (virtually all rebuilt after a 1960s earthquake) but the young men - of whom there are hundreds, each seemingly better looking than the last, are just stunning. It really was hard to find a plain one (and there is, I think, no such thing as an overweight young Moroccan man - the western problem of obesity obesity has yet, it seems, to reach North African youth.) Unlike Marrakesh, where dress is either traditional and unrevealking or just standard jeans/T-shirt, most Agadir boys seem to spend much of the day, when they are not working, relaxing in beachwear. Very nice! The very long, very clean (beautifully fine sand) and overall very pleasant beach, which heaves with boys and young men who play all sorts of games including flirting outrageously with the tourists every afternoon, provides enough fuel for a lifetime of wet dreams. (The much smaller number of women/girls tend to keep to themselves.) Overall, a great holiday. As several people said to me in advance, unless you are a determined sun worshiper, two weeks would be too long. Certainly more than three days in Marrakesh (which is a comparatively small place) might be tedious. But as a week's break, very easily reached from Europe (a 3 - 4 hours flight from the UK) Morocco has a great deal to commend it and I will definitely be visiting again. And those boys!!!!! |
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llz Veteran Member
Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 272 Location: France 10.0 Karma
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Trip report
This is what I call a trip report ! ! ! Thank you.
In what way do you rate Morocco higher than Tunisia ? |
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| Tue 24 Jul, 2007 12:46 pm |  |
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Marsilius Veteran Member
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It may not be a fair comparison.
When we visited Tunisia, maybe 15 years ago, we were much poorer than we are now and coulfd not afford to do all the things we wanted or stay in such nice places as we did in Morocco. Also, at that point, we were unused to the Arab culture - features such as aggressive bartering, physical manhandling of customers into shops, virtual refusal to let one go until a purchase had been made, etc. felt very intimidating. I still think, though, that (a) the Tunisian beaches were not as attractive and were most definitely dirtier (uncollected camel dung!), (b) the local people were not as tourism-focused and, as a result, not as friendly to westerners, (c) the pervasive secularism and hedonism that was apparent in Morocco just wasn't in evidence there. Maybe life is just harder in Tunisia - the disposition of the people certainly made it seem that that was likely! |
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homintern Fruitcake of All Fruitcakes 5986.0 Karma
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Marsilius Veteran Member
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Every beach seemed to have a resident herd of camels to provide rides for tourists who were required to wear an arab headdress for the obligatory (and expensive) photo on the beast's back. Not the most friendly of animals, if I recall aright!
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lonelywombat Golden Member 
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Thanks Marsillius for a great trip report. It has stirred up my interest in revisiting
Tangiers and Casablanca I had inked in with a possible trip to Athens, but have now I have made contact on the net with a boy in Rabat and another in Fez, Athens could be the side trip They have said this is the very hot time of the year and for me to consider October to February. I had never considered the road trip as I travel alone and buses do not appeal. If you get a chance to comment I would appreciate it |
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| Tue 24 Jul, 2007 7:28 pm | |
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Marsilius Veteran Member
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Apparently July is the hottest time of year. Re. the road between Agadir and Marrakesh: the four hours I quoted for the journey was in a private car. No doubt a bus would take far longer!
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Shuee Senior Member 
Joined: 31 Jul 2007 Posts: 182 Location: Uranus 10.0 Karma
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you may when next in los try to speak to (i think he's names john or peter) the newish other part owner of Krazy dragon, the older guy of the two, & you may also see in this bar a chubbier guy with glasses, quite a young fellow & another farlang, they used to live in morroco, & being gay i'm sure they................................................
goodluck |
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| Tue 31 Jul, 2007 10:36 am | |
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lonelywombat Golden Member
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cut and paste from Marsillius above
From the square, we took a 40 minute walk to the Cafe des Nogociants (appropriate name) where the city's money boys reputedly hang out. Sipping our drinks out on the pavement seating, we were soon openly propositioned by a nice young man but, in the immortal words of the old News of the World, we made our excuses and left. Apparently things get going big time at the C des N at about 11pm and we weren't prepared to stay out that long. I thought I would google for more info on Cafe des Nogociants. The first link they found was to the above post by marsillius |
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| Thu 2 Aug, 2007 1:26 am | |
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Marsilius Veteran Member
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Having read that, I thought I'd achieved fame - or, more probably, notoriety - at last.
Sadly not. My own Googling for the C des N (maybe it matters which country you Google from?) turned up http://www.footprintguides.com/Marrakech/Gay-and-Lesbian.php in top place, with nothing from me at all! |
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| Thu 2 Aug, 2007 2:49 am | |
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555 Advanced Member
Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 661 Location: London 10.0 Karma
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Use the more usual spelling "Cafe de Negociants Marakesh" and you'll get a fuller response.
HTH |
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| Thu 2 Aug, 2007 2:56 am | |
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lonelywombat Golden Member
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I copied your spelling and this is what I got again Web Results 1 - 5 of 5 for Cafe des Nogociants . (0.30 seconds) Did you mean: Cafe des Negociants Morocco bound! From the square, we took a 40 minute walk to the Cafe des Nogociants (appropriate name) where the city's money boys reputedly hang out. ... www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/morocco-bound-t12154-15.html - 43k - Cached - Similar pages TI:Genetic diversity and relationships of cacao (Theobroma cacao L ... Institut francais du cafe et du cacao. no. 12. 68 p. DE:Potential; PY:1974 GE:Uganda TI:Study of mineral disorders and deficiencies of cacao OT:Etude des ... guiltinanlab.cas.psu.edu/Ingenic/documents/publications/wouters/cocoabib.txt - Similar pages Tourismic, guide hotellerie, annuaire hotel restaurant ... - [ Translate this page ] CAFE DES SPORTS ..... HOTEL DES ETATS UNIS - "GRAND CAFE DE FRANCE" · CROWNE PLAZA - "L'AUTAN-TIC" .... CAFE DES NOGOCIANTS ... |
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555 Advanced Member
Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 661 Location: London 10.0 Karma
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I think your cookies may be the problem. Or maybe you spelt the town name correctly.
This is what I get.
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| Thu 2 Aug, 2007 1:31 pm | |
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Dboy Meet me at the Nook!
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 587 Location: Meet me at the Nook! 10.0 Karma
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Internet access?
Does Marrakesh (and the rest of the country) have internet cafes like Thailand does? I like to upload my digital photos to a private server while on the road. How was the food? Did you eat food from the markets alot or mostly hotel food or what? thx
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