wx40afp wrote:

" ... how many of those Palestinians are available for short time? ... Come on NELSON,dont hold back son,did you get a root there or what?... "

Good point.  I've had some thoughts along these lines as well.
But as long as our Troll is asking the tough questions ...

Cheers ...

homintern is on your IGNORE list.

Aunty wrote:

You, sir, do your cause no favour. Fuck Hamas, fuck the Plalestinians, fuck Isreal and fuck you!

Aunty,
I do not have any cause here. In fact, I am absolutely not interested to discuss this issue with people like Nelson. He is a very sick man and nothing change his views until one day his ass will be blown by islamic terrorists in Palestine, Pattaya or London where he lives. The only reason why I post in this thread is that I  am absolutely  not willing to share cyberspace with people like Nelson. I think Spike mentioned on more than occassion that he is Jewish. If this is really the case, then Spike how possibly can you allow posts which slander your own people on the cyberspace you have total control of? You may not remember that but America was quite anti-semitic place in forties and fifties. It took a lot of effort to change that. Jews in US for a long period of time perceived Israel as a kind of safe heaven where they always can find a refuge if their fortune changes in the land of opportunities. It is only during last years part of US Jewish population (understandably) started take many things for granted.  But nothing is for granted. Anti-semitism as a cancer which  grows everywhere, including good old USA.
While we hardly can change a world around us (where apparently even quite intelligent people like Aunty do not want to see a problem), we need to do what we can and shoul.
I just appeal to Spike once again: ban Nelson. If he reemerges again with his anti-semitic views ban him again. And again and again. Do what you can and should.

homintern is on your IGNORE list.

homintern wrote:

I hope ES doesn't descend to that level.  

Ol' Spikey is too smart for that.  While, as noted before, I disagree with Nelson's somewhat biased view of the topic (and, what the heck, there could be a reason for that), he's presented himself and his position in an intelligent and non-disparaging manner.  That's no basis for either censorship or banning.  And, Nelson, I hope that the few responses that fall short of the adult level do not discourage you from offering your views.

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This probably does not need saying, but . . . I have disagreed with just about everything Nelson/Oliver has said over the years regarding the Palestinians.  IMHO he is a blinkered pseudo-intellectual ~ lovingly so ~ who sheds niagaras of tears for Palestinians, yet cannot conceive of any response save glee when Israeli children hop aboard a bus bound for heaven (within Israel) at the hands of brain-washed Palestinian youth.

But banning him from the Board for his opinions?  
First of all, nothing he has said above (or ever for that matter) violates the Board Guidelines ... and more importantly, I don't think ElephantSpike would even contemplate such a thing, and I would hope, and assume, that many would walk away in shame if such a reason was given for banning a Member.  

Ikarus has always been one of the most vile-tempered members of this, and other Boards . . . his prissy little shit-bombs of venom above are hardly out of character, and certainly not a surprise.

Cheers ...  ( agreeing with wx40afp & Homintern twice in 24 hrs is indeed a red letter day     )

Let's be accurate here.

I disagree with everything Nelson has to say and personally think that Islamism is the greatest threat facing the western world and its values today.  

But Nelson is not, as far as I can see in his posts, being anti-semitic / anti-Jewish.  He is being anti-Israel.  Remember that not all Jews are Zionists.  Indeed, I seem to recall there were even a few Jews at the recent anti-Israel summit hosted by the Iranian government in Tehran.

Nelson wrote:

I neglected to mention one attribute of Hamas which has contributed to their popularity amongst the dispossessed. It was brought home to me a couple of weeks ago when I was travelling from Ramallah to Occupied Jerusalem and approaching the Qalandia checkpoint, a huge, Kafka-esque concrete structure (paid for by US tax-payers) in which sullen, bored and contemptuous Israeli colonial soldiers control the movements of untermenschen, a group off which, as an assumed Christian, I am a member while I'm in Palestine.
Suddenly, we were forced to stop by the Abbas cavalcade; anyone who has been in Africa would recognize the scene- tinted windows on smart cars, nervous security men with fingers on triggers, lights flashing.
He had been to another humiliating meeting with his Israeli colonial masters, begging (perhaps) for food to be allowed into Gaza, or some piece of annexed land to be returned to its owners...who knows? We  do know the answer was "No".
Anyway, as Abbas returned to the Mukata, I pondered on the lives of Hamas leaders who refuse to move into government villas, preferring to live with the ordinary folk who elected them and with all that it entails in Gaza; periodic electricity (it was 100 degrees some of the time I was there), destroyed sewage works, Israeli drones (armed ones) circling day and night, artillery shells from the allegedly "withdrawn" Israeli colonial forces, the threat of assassination. I am a secular supporter of Palestinian nationalism , believing that Jewish, Christian and Islamic fundamentalism are problems not solutions.
But , I have to say, there is a lot to be learnt from Hamas. And this is why so many non-Islamists voted for them.

For some reason the West is unwilling to take the blame and let the peoples of Gaza starve to death, so are rallying around trying to avert what they suppose will become a humanitarian disaster area, at least they have a conscience. I wonder if the Republicans, that terrorist organisation from the West will see fit to recognise the same? Soon?