The Blue Diamond Affair

[Beach Bunny]

Actually, I do not support capital punishment in any society.

Yet, the guy in your picture was probably a mass murderer.

The guy in my picture could have been sentenced to death for:

homosexuality
adultery
apostasy (rejection of Islam by a former adherent)
distribution or consumption of alcohol
witchcraft

The list of crimes that are punishable "just" by amputation and flogging (almost as barbaric as beheadings) would take many pages to list.

I find it completely unbelievable that anyone -- much less a homosexual -- would come to the defense of such a society.

[allieb]

The news story That beach Bunny posted is also famous here. It has been in the news and on local TV. The woman in question is Arabic with an American passport. Her crime was Kalwa. (being in a secluced place with an unrelated male) Whilst I don't agree with what happened, she knew she was breaking local laws but like many Americans thought that she was different and pushed thing to the the edge. The laws are there to protect women from taking the coffee drinking one stage futher into adultry. Something that the west is rife with. Every woman in Saudi is looked upon as someones mother or sister and worshiped by the family.They are not just thought of as a piece of cunt.

The man being executed had done one of the following.

A) Murder ( but then could be forgiven by the next of kin for financial compensation)
B) Raped someone
c) Continual drug dealing ( 3 times caught)
D) Cross border drug trafficing

Capital punishment is not applied to any other crime these days

Amputations are not for stealing but for acts of Violent armed robbery

Now the good part. The streets are safe there is practically no crime and your mothers and sisters are safe.

Relationships between unrelated men and women do go on but under strict secrecy. Everybodys happy and nobody gets hurt.Gay sex is rife and quite normal even boasted about between friends both married and single.

I do prefer Jeddah and I hope Beach Bunny is happy with his curly whirly yidish zelots attacking car parks as well as gays .

[Khor tose]

Bunny,

Great you are actually trying to talk again, and we have a common point to start. I too hate capital punishment, but our culture supports it and you and I are in the minority. Since we are part of a culture that supports capital punishment does that makes us murderers and our culture bankrupt? I do not think so. Instead I believe that we are just people in a bigger society that does not perform the way we would like it too. Why do you think all Arabs support beheading? Aren’t you denying them their humanity and their dissenters?
You named a bunch of crimes that you can be killed for in the Middle East. Why do I need to remind you that as little as 150 years ago we killed people, as young as ten, for stealing bread. I could also talk about the whole history of colonialism where Western societies murdered indigenous people by the millions. That only stopped 60 years ago. You can still be executed in the USA for selling drugs in some states, and not that long ago sodomy was a crime in almost every state of the Union. Let me guess you believe the West is capable of changing and moving forward, but not the Muslim East. What makes them any less human then you or I?
Furthermore, you ignore the positive things about Islamic Culture. The first that comes to mind is the requirement to give to the poor. This is not a suggestion, but one of the main pillars of Islamic culture. I think the West might learn something here, but you think the Arabs have nothing to contribute.
Finally, I am glad you got back to the comparison of treatment of homosexuals in the Arab world and the Israeli world. Yes, public homosexuality can be severely punished in the Middle East in some countries, but not in Saudi Arabia unless it involves rape or child molestation. How long do you think homosexuals will be allowed to be out in Israel once the Orthodox takes control of the government? The incidence that I first mentioned is just their shot across the bow, just like the one they gave to Rabin. Israel is not moving forward on human rights but digressing. If the Ultra Orthodox get their way, it will be back in the closet for homosexuals and possible stoning by a bunch of welfare Rabbis whose only job is to pray and see that others do what they believe the faithful must do. Time will prove me right or wrong and, if right, I will be the first to tell you, "I told you so."

[Beach Bunny]

Yawn. Any way you look at it, Saudi Arabia is hundreds of years behind much of the rest of the world in its thought processes. In fact, if they weren't sitting on vast oil reserves, the region would be even more backward than the darkest corners of Africa.

As for all of those great Arab contributions to civilization, please name a few from the last hundred years. OK, let's make it 200 years.

Then, let's compare it to the contributions of Jews -- a much, much smaller group.

If you like, we can start by having a look at the number of Arab Nobel laureates versus Jewish ones.

Over to you.

[Khor tose]

Yawn. Gee that is what gaybutton does when he has no argument. Come on, "yawn" is the best you can do? Why not start 600 years ago when we were living in mud huts and the Moslems had palaces, art, education, math, etc. You are just proving my point about common humanity. People and cultures develop at different speeds. Maybe the Moslems are stuck in some areas at the moment, but how does that make them any less human, and what standards are you using to judge them---not that you have any right to do so.
As to the comparisons to the Jews, I only ask why? There are as many Jews in the world as there are Germans. Tell me how do the Jews stack up to the Germans in the last 200 years, and why it would be important. Then what Jews are you talking about? Jews in America, or Germany, or Italy or England all come from different backgrounds and have different cultures. Heck in 1948, inside Israel, there was a giant gap between the Sephardim and the Mizrahim Jews. It is interesting that they now seem pretty much the same, and united against the Ortodox from Eastern Europe. If all Jews are the same people to you, as you believe all Arabs are the same people, then you would agree the Ultra Orthodox Russian Jews can represent all the Jews of the world.
Finally, it is funny; you have dropped the gay issue again. Does that mean you know I am right, and you too see what is coming in Israel? Yes, please go live in Israel, especially Jerusalem and wear your dress on Shabbat and do let me know how that works for you.

[Beach Bunny]

Maybe the Moslems are stuck in some areas at the moment

Gee, ya think?

Besides, I was NOT talking about Moslems in general. Several of my best friends are Moslems.

I was talking about ARABS, and much more specifically SAUDIS.

And, missy, YOU are the one who took us off of the topic of gay tolerance in the Middle East by sputtering on about all the so-called "contributions" the Arabs have given to world civilization (although I would be hard pressed to think of a SINGLE ONE in the last half millennia).

As for the gay thing, what is your wacked out theory, anyway? That Riyadh is just as nice a place to be gay as Tel Aviv?

Come on, enunciate instead of sputtering.

[Khor tose]

I sort of doubt that any of your friends are Muslim, but I have no evidence either way. I was not sputtering when I posted the link to the article on the machine-gunning of a gay youth center in Israel. Now tell me when that happened in Riyadh, or in any other Western nation--like the Netherlands--as you suggested. Neither Jerusalem nor Riyadh would be a good place for gays, but Riyadh is poised to get better--look at Arab Dubai or Qatar--and Israel has people who think it is okay to machine gun gay youth, and they are not a small minority. When I posted the link to this article you compared Israel to Iraq, Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. Well guess what genius, Iran is not an Arab country, and it is by far the worst of the bunch when it comes to gay rights. So Saudis and Persian, or do you just not care who you hate? Your reply was that I was stupid and now I am sputtering. Once again, you only fall back seems to be ad hominem arguments and not facts.
Furthermore you made a big deal out of how Thailand was better off without the Saudis, and--of course--offered no evidence to back up this totally farcical statement. My reply also included refutation of that incredibly undocumented, idiotic statement, and I think I enunciated your errors quite well.

[Beach Bunny]

Listen, missy. I know perfectly well the difference between Persians, Arabs, Turks, Tatars, Kurds, etc.

I never said Iran was an Arab country. I included it among "other countries in the region" where being an open homosexual is simply not an option. In fact, it is not a practical option ANYWHERE in the region...except in Israel, although things are getting SOMEWHAT better in Lebanon -- as evidenced in the recent New York Times article on gay Beirut. And there is something of a scene, albeit in the shadows, in Istanbul.

But still we are talking light years away from Tel Aviv...despite the isolated, sole attack by a disturbed solitary gunman which you continue to bandy about as if it was a harbinger of the apocalypse.

You keep harping on about Jerusalem.

Why do you think it is not as open for gays there as it is in Tel Aviv? Could it be the fact that Jerusalem's population is almost 40% Arab, while in Tel Aviv it is only 1%?

Gee, ya think?

And about the Netherlands. Google "gay bashing in Amsterdam" and the first link you get is this one:

http://nobodysbusiness.typepad.com/nobo ... g_mus.html

Of course...guess what ethnic group the attackers belonged to? I guess we should brand the Netherlands as intolerant now, too. Eh?

As for Muslim friends...I do have many, you can believe it or you can not. They include Thai Muslims (lots of them), Malaysians, Indonesians, Pakistanis, a Russian Tatar couple, a very sweet Iranian trolly dolly, an old friend in Istanbul (as well as a Kurdish money boy there), a wonderful dance instructor from kyrgyzstan, and a hot bottom Lebanese fitness instructor in Kuwait. And I have a little black book full of names from my most recent visit to Beirut, Damascus, and Amman a few years ago.

Do you have any further straws to grasp at, or shall we just allow you to shrink away and save whatever face you have left? Hmm?

[allieb]

As for Muslim friends...I do have many, you can believe it or you can not. They include Thai Muslims (lots of them), Malaysians, Indonesians, Pakistanis, a Russian Tatar couple, a very sweet Iranian trolly dolly, an old friend in Istanbul (as well as a Kurdish money boy there), a wonderful dance instructor from kyrgyzstan, and a hot bottom Lebanese fitness instructor in Kuwait. And I have a little black book full of names from my most recent visit to Beirut, Damascus, and Amman a few years ago.

Dream on. Sounds like your having a fantasy wank

[Beach Bunny]

Shall I post scans of my visas, Alibaba or Ali G or whatever your name is? Do you think you have a monopoly on experiences in the Middle East?

[allieb]

You wouldn't post them if we asked so spare us the empty threats. Anyway even if you had visas it dosen't mean you have friends.

You're also supposed to have a successful company but you won't give any details. I think you're a big bullshitter Pussy Rabbit or whatever your name is

And no I don't have a monopoly on Middle eastern experiences I just give truthful accounts of life in Saudi Arabia

[Khor tose]

You keep harping on about Jerusalem.

Why do you think it is not as open for gays there as it is in Tel Aviv? Could it be the fact that Jerusalem's population is almost 40% Arab, while in Tel Aviv it is only 1%?
Gee, ya think?
And about the Netherlands. Google "gay bashing in Amsterdam" and the first link you get is this one:

There is a great difference between gay bashing and machine gunning a crowd. For one thing you won't find any nut, elsewhere in the world, with a beard being given a machine gun so he can protect (haha) himself from the Arabs. Second, by your own admission, Tel Aviv is 99% non-Arab, so who was it that shot up those gay youth. The Orthodox are a strong factor in Israel, so why do you keep dismissing them as a factor in how Israel treats gays. As I said earlier, wait and watch. If things keep going the way they are in Israel, soon Riyadh will be a much safer place. Finally, I agree with Allieb that you will never post anything that proves the wild claims you have made about yourself, your business, and your connections. You are just like "Bottoms-up" except you can communicate in English, and just like our earwig/LMTU/Bottoms-up you can't even stay with one board name.

[Beach Bunny]

So, Muhammad Ali. How do we know you even live in Saudi? Please post proof of your life and job there, and of all the hot Saudi asses you claim to fuck.

See...it goes both ways.

[allieb]

So, Muhammad Ali. How do we know you even live in Saudi? Please post proof of your life and job there, and of all the hot Saudi asses you claim to fuck.

See...it goes both ways.

You don't know, but the difference is it doesn't matter to me what anybody thinks, I don't have orgasms about where I live ,collections of friends, contacts, tricks , businesses I own, or who I sat next to in Buisness class. I have only said that sex is easy in Saudi Arabia. Arabs will usually fuck anybody, and some get fucked. If you have in fact been to all the Middle Eastern countries you claim then you would know this and how easy it is to get sex. السلام عليكم

[Beach Bunny]

I know that, already. Duh. The Arabs will fuck anything on two (of four legs), of either sex.

Where or where did I claim it was difficult to get fucked in the Middle East? Maybe in the same message where I uttered the "anti-semitic" slurs I've also been accused of.

Anyway, genius, the availability of gay sex does not make a place tolerant or gay friendly -- in case you hadn't figured that part out.

When Riyadh has its first pride parade, please do let us know.