Smiles wrote:And regarding the ridiculous stereotyping in a further-back post by Cndmatt: his words are pretty plain, pretty up front, pretty funny, and pretty dunderheaded ... and not even close to being mitigated by your attempt at defense.

I'll give defending myself a good ole college try then. :-) I know you and GF are absolutely intent on me being wrong, and that's ok. Maybe you guys have a superiority complex that needs to be fulfilled, or something. I'll admit I was maybe a little too specific, but then again, many on this board tend to take things WAY too literally.

I'll still stick to what I said though, and say in general, it's not difficult to determine if one of the Issan guys you meet in Pattaya / Bangkok is gay or not. GF refuted me by listing off a bunch of career soldiers and law enforcement personnel, the majority being from Western countries. Obviously, you can't compare say, someone born into a middle class UK military family, to someone raised as a Buddhist rice farmer in a small village in Issan. That would simply be idiotic, and GF should be intelligent enough to know this.

More than likely, the UK guy was raised and taught from an early age to succeed, never let anything get in the way of his dreams, and to put up emotional and mental barriers as needed to make that happen. Combine that with the UK societal and military norms, and it's not surprising it's difficult to distinguish he's gay. Same goes for me. People are usually pretty surprised to find out I have a BF, because they just assume I like the ladies. Then again, I was raised in a small oil & forestry town in Northern Alberta, where you're simply not allowed to be gay, so I'm sure that had some affect.

Generally though, Issan folk from villages are raised a little differently. They're not taught to succeed at all costs. They're taught to follow their heart, and be who they are, because that's the path to happiness and fulfillment. They're not taught to put up emotional barriers to conform to their environment, and actually, it's the total opposite. They're taught those emotional barriers are a bad thing, and also taught to be open-minded, and accept people for whoever they are. That's why we have different cultures in this world, which all have different traits and upbringings, which have drastic impacts your your world-view, psyche, and personality.

I'll still stick to what I said though. When chatting with a typical village guy from Issan, and having a couple beers or something, assuming he's comfortable, it's generally not very difficult to determine whether or not he's gay. They don't generally have the same emotional baggage that the majority in the West carry, because that's simply not the world they were brought up in. This in general, makes the basics about them easier to read, such as whether or not their gay.

By and large, being gay in Thailand is simply a non-issue, hence they don't bother hiding it. Really, how many Thai guys have you talked to who have said their parents don't know they're gay, and that they're really worried / scared / nervous about telling them? Almost none, right? How many guys in the West are like that? Not as many as a couple decades ago, but still a good number.

Really, how many Thai guys have you talked to who have said their parents don't know they're gay, and that they're really worried / scared / nervous about telling them?

Actually, Matt, the Thai guy I'm seeing now told me he started injections for boobs at 16 because while his parents had no problem with him being a katoey, they wouldn't tolerate him being gay. He has been trying to get rid of them as he finally stepped out at 18 and realized that he was gay, and not a woman trapped in a man's body.

If you delve into it a bit, I think you'll find that the moralistic Thais- and the more traditional ones- have completely different takes on being gay vs. being a katoey. And, to answer your question: I would say more than a third of the guys I've met/offed say their parents, one or the other (so many are split up), don't know about their true sexuality.

Really, how many Thai guys have you talked to who have said their parents don't know they're gay, and that they're really worried / scared / nervous about telling them?

An absolute ton of them...but most of whom come from somewhat higher strata than the Isaan hillbillies you're hanging around with.

getyournobout wrote:your ass must be ragged
who rates the best fuck?

Try not to judge others by your own standards - not all of us have sex with everyone we know.

cdnmatt wrote:Maybe you guys have a superiority complex that needs to be fulfilled, or something.

Maybe, for the first time, you will accept that the reason everyone who has bothered to reply to you here has disagreed with you is because they simply disagree with you - no conspiracy, no superiority, I simply think you are wrong (and apparently I am not alone in this).

cdnmatt wrote:Obviously, you can't compare say, someone born into a middle class UK military family, to someone raised as a Buddhist rice farmer in a small village in Issan. That would simply be idiotic, and GF should be intelligent enough to know this.

I didn't compare them - I simply listed the gays I know here best, farang and Thai, regardless of background, and none met your description.

cdnmatt wrote:More than likely, the UK guy was raised and taught from an early age to succeed, never let anything get in the way of his dreams, and to put up emotional and mental barriers as needed to make that happen. ... Issan folk from villages are raised a little differently.

The only thing I find hard to believe is that I am actually taking you seriously and replying to this rubbish. You don't think that "a typical village guy from Issan" dancing in his underwear in front of a group of aliens from the planet Zog doesn't "put up emotional and mental barriers as needed" just to survive, let alone follow his dreams??

I can't work out if the "new" version is worse than the old - before, the male world was divided into gay nancy-boys and straight yobs. Now that only applies to the "typical village guy from Issan", while the rest of the world is divided into wannabe gay nancy-yobs and wannabe straight yobs, who would be if only they were striped of the "emotional baggage that the majority in the West carry".

Matt, carry on livng in your own little world if it makes you happy - just make sure you keep your passport and laptop handy for a quick getaway if you need them. I really cant be bothered with any more of this.

cdnmatt wrote:
I'll still stick to what I said though, and say in general, it's not difficult to determine if one of the Issan guys you meet in Pattaya / Bangkok is gay or not. GF refuted me by listing off a bunch of career soldiers and law enforcement personnel, the majority being from Western countries. Obviously, you can't compare say, someone born into a middle class UK military family, to someone raised as a Buddhist rice farmer in a small village in Issan. That would simply be idiotic, and GF should be intelligent enough to know this.

Actually you probably can't compare middle class Brits or Thais with working class Thais or Brits. There are still lots of closeted middle class Thais and Brits. There are even some gay Brits who claim that their lives were never affected by their sexuality, and it was therefore not a factor in their choice to retire to the largest gay brothel in the world. The convenience was merely coincidence, as it also was no doubt for the many other very straight mannered queens in uniform, who are their friends.

Perhaps they could be a cabaret act.................."Straight Queens in Uniform".

I think we all could agree that Thailand is in its own little wonderful world when it comes to sexuality and that's one of the things we absolutely love about it. I know I do.

It's been said before many times but oh so important here: Don't project Western cultural expectations on the Thai culture! It's an exercise in futility, as many of our more experienced contributors try to point out to us new people here. I learn something new every day...

Gone Fishing wrote: not all of us have sex with everyone we know.

Matthew 1:25

cdnmatt wrote:I know you and GF are absolutely intent on me being wrong, and that's ok. Maybe you guys have a superiority complex that needs to be fulfilled, or something.

Yes, matt, you're doing a good deed for decrepit old fossils like GF who need to feel superior (and in some instances, lie and invent facts to do so). Good karma to you. :D

I often ask Thai boys if their parents know they're gay. Some really common answers are, "yes, no problem" or "they don't say, but I think they know, it's no problem". Sometimes boys from wealthier or middle class backgrounds are more uptight about it.

getyournobout wrote:Matthew 1:25

Matthew 7:1 or Luke 6:37 would seem more appropriate.

Gone Fishing wrote:
Matthew 7:1 or Luke 6:37 would seem more appropriate.

kewl or unkewl

Twat of All Twats wrote:

Really, how many Thai guys have you talked to who have said their parents don't know they're gay, and that they're really worried / scared / nervous about telling them?

An absolute ton of them...but most of whom come from somewhat higher strata than the Isaan hillbillies you're hanging around with.

coming from a Galveston hillbilly who should know from personal experience?

Galveston? WTF?

Gone Fishing wrote:

getyournobout wrote:Matthew 1:25

Matthew 7:1 or Luke 6:37 would seem more appropriate.

Wow...citing Bible verses...the forum is taking a decidedly more moralistic upturn!

I wonder what the Catholic church's stance on 'What is Reasonable in Offing boys' is.