homintern wrote:

jinks wrote:

Aunty wrote:

I used to fly a Union Jack out my window

Absolutely amazing and so true, that even an English(wo)man does not know how to describe our flag. It has been the same design since 1st January 1801.

This is the same Aunty, is it, who claimed in earliest posts to be from New Zealand, to be a rabid England-hater and had never been there etc. etc.?  I've always suspected that Aunty = Hedda and was making the character up.  But then Tourette always was a naughty, fanciful child

As you know perfectly well, Beryl, me, myself and I are all the same as you! Arnold's on to it! He's caught us out so there's no use denying it! And as for that harlot, hedda, you're the one who made her up, not me! As I said to you at the time, I already thought it was getting a little crowded in here. Didn't you tell that too to Dr Baxter when we were in the asylum and you got caught trying to lick your own arsehole?

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Soi 69 wrote:

Hmm, I was very surprised when I read this topic, and I am still. quote: "some danes celebrate...." as an...holiday"? I have never ever known that, ;-)
In some place called Rebild, in Jutland, a part of our very small country Denmark there is a celebration, but it is celebrated in what we before called "The Industrial Holiday" . This year even the american ambassador did not go there, he prefered to drive on his bicycle around of the capital called Copenhagen. Clever man :-).  0,0000000.....9 procent of the danish population could never care less.

Thanks "hasniThe2"! My info came from faulty memory and Google. I hope the other 99.999.... % of you Danes still welcome Americans to celebrate all your National Holidays?

fattman wrote:

Interesting stuff:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Does this give the folks of the existing US (13 colonies) the right to chuck out by force any existing or future government that breaches the terms of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?

It gives the citizens of ALL the united states of America the right to overthrow their government whenever that government becomes destructive of these ends. i.e., the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the exercise of just powers which come from the consent of the governed. The Constitution of the United States is a very fine document of governance written by some of the finest British minds unencumbered by, but aware of, the snobby, privileged by birth, and not by merit, and caste of 18th century Britain.

francois wrote:

But the flag is "never" flown from the bowsprit at the fore of the ship. Always from the aft either on the mizzen mast, a staff or a halyard.

'Allo francois  

'ere eez a picture of a Royal Navy Ship  and one of a French Navy bateau:

  

Notice anything about the position of the flags?

Bravo Bwana!!! Of course I was describing sailing ships at sea. 55555
Best never to  say never, in particular, on this forum. My regrets to Jinks.



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francois wrote:

Soi 69 wrote:

Hmm, I was very surprised when I read this topic, and I am still. quote: "some danes celebrate...." as an...holiday"? I have never ever known that, ;-)
In some place called Rebild, in Jutland, a part of our very small country Denmark there is a celebration, but it is celebrated in what we before called "The Industrial Holiday" . This year even the american ambassador did not go there, he prefered to drive on his bicycle around of the capital called Copenhagen. Clever man :-).  0,0000000.....9 procent of the danish population could never care less.

Thanks "hasniThe2"! My info came from faulty memory and Google. I hope the other 99.999.... % of you Danes still welcome Americans to celebrate all your National Holidays?

francois, you are all welcome, even if I think it would be crazy  

Aunty wrote:

fattman wrote:

Interesting stuff:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Does this give the folks of the existing US (13 colonies) the right to chuck out by force any existing or future government that breaches the terms of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?

It gives the citizens of ALL the united states of America the right to overthrow their government whenever that government becomes destructive of these ends. i.e., the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the exercise of just powers which come from the consent of the governed. The Constitution of the United States is a very fine document of governance written by some of the finest British minds unencumbered by, but aware of, the snobby, privileged by birth, and not by merit, and caste of 18th century Britain.

And the result is that now, in America, any common or garden million or billionaire   can become President - now THAT'S equality!

scottish-guy:"And the result is that now, in America, any common or garden million or billionaire can become President - now THAT'S equality!

Former president Bill Clinton, who came to the White House with modest means and left deeply in debt,…http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/22/AR2007022202189.html

Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter came to the White House without much money,…http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/24/AR2007032400305.html

Bwana wrote:

francois wrote:

But the flag is "never" flown from the bowsprit at the fore of the ship. Always from the aft either on the mizzen mast, a staff or a halyard.

'Allo francois  

'ere eez a picture of a Royal Navy Ship  and one of a French Navy bateau:

  

Notice anything about the position of the flags?

Yes, neither of the flags are flying from the bowsprit.

Aunty wrote:

fattman wrote:

Interesting stuff:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Does this give the folks of the existing US (13 colonies) the right to chuck out by force any existing or future government that breaches the terms of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?

It gives the citizens of ALL the united states of America the right to overthrow their government whenever that government becomes destructive of these ends. i.e., the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the exercise of just powers which come from the consent of the governed. The Constitution of the United States is a very fine document of governance written by some of the finest British minds unencumbered by, but aware of, the snobby, privileged by birth, and not by merit, and caste of 18th century Britain.

The quotation is from the The Declaration of Independence, surely, and not from the US Constitution? The document was largely written by one man - Thomas Jefferson - and then revised by a committee including Jefferson and  John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Robert R. Livingston, and Roger Sherman.  The Constitution, on the other hand, was largely drafted by James Madison, grandson of a man who received a land grant of some 4675 acres, and son of a slave owning tobacco planter, and educated at what became Princeton.  The Constitution replays much of that of the Roman Republic, particularly in terms of the electoral college, and preserves power to the privileged.  The Founders were well aware what they were establishing: Benjamin Franklin is reported to have said to someone who inquired what sort of government the Constitution established, "A Republic, if you can keep it."  There is not a single mention of "democracy" in the document. The drafters were not without their prejudices.