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PostAuthor: 555 » Mon 13 Oct, 2008 5:52 pm

Surprised nobody picked up this from last Sunday.

Even a leading Muslim is speaking against it.
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Re: how many Britains are there supposed to be there?

PostAuthor: cottmann » Mon 13 Oct, 2008 6:02 pm

Lunchtime O'Booze wrote:....well you should have ! I see your profile says you are from San Fransisco and all US law and those of former British colonies ( New Zealand, the Bahamas etc)are based upon British law which is far diffrerent to the way the law and courts operate in many Euorpean countries. ......


Actually, the Louisiana Civil Code is based on French, Spanish and German legal codes, dating from the days when Louisiana was a French possession, and not on English common law (and also not on the Code Napoleon).

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PostAuthor: Marsilius » Tue 14 Oct, 2008 2:48 am

Ah, yes... dear old Louisiana.

So humane and the long-term home to the Angola Three - Robert King Wilkerson (freed in 2001 after 29 years in solitary confinement), Herman Wallace and Albert Woodfox (both spent 36 years in solitary confinement until moved to maximum security accommodation earlier this year).

The US Supreme Court has now ruled that their pending civil suit Wilkerson, Wallace and Woodfox vs. the State of Louisiana has merit to proceed to trial on the grounds that their 30+ years in solitary confinement is "inhumane and unconstitutional." The outcome of this landmark civil case might at last eliminate long term solitary confinement in U.S. prisons.
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Re: Sunday's Times

PostAuthor: Lunchtime O'Booze » Tue 14 Oct, 2008 9:12 am

555 wrote:Surprised nobody picked up this from last Sunday.

Even a leading Muslim is speaking against it.


I'll chastise only very gently 555 for reading an organ owned by the Sun King Rupert Murdoch but I see from the article it's actually a politician ( and a Nu Labour one at that) who is being quoted and as usual, the story implies that because one Muslim says something that means all Muslims are in agreement. A bit like saying all Jews agree etc etc.

In fact he's fairly insulting to the Muslim community by implying they aren't sophisticated enough for this new law system.

And this about a commmunity and religion who were so far advanced whilst out ancestors ( Homitern's etc) were scrabbling about in the filthy mud and eating old leaves of trees !
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PostAuthor: Henry Cate » Tue 14 Oct, 2008 9:14 am

Perhaps you could give us an example of what harm there would be in that. The principle, let's not forget, is that the State law cannot be over-ruled,


If you're talking about the US, you're wrong. If there is a conflict between Federal law and State law, the Feds win. It's called preemption.

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Dear old Marsilius

PostAuthor: Henry Cate » Tue 14 Oct, 2008 9:32 am

Marsilius wrote:Ah, yes... dear old Louisiana.

So humane and the long-term home to the Angola Three - Robert King Wilkerson (freed in 2001 after 29 years in solitary confinement), Herman Wallace and Albert Woodfox (both spent 36 years in solitary confinement until moved to maximum security accommodation earlier this year).

The US Supreme Court has now ruled that their pending civil suit Wilkerson, Wallace and Woodfox vs. the State of Louisiana has merit to proceed to trial on the grounds that their 30+ years in solitary confinement is "inhumane and unconstitutional." The outcome of this landmark civil case might at last eliminate long term solitary confinement in U.S. prisons.


Well, frankly, I would think that any convict looking for doing "good time" and a quick release -- well, for such a convict, murdering prison guards would not be a very bright idea. Um, cops don't look very kindly on cop-killers.

So if these "Angola 3" managed to screw up their lives by killing a prison guard, and the prison guards retaliated -- not with death, but with lifetime solitary, well, then, who's to blame? Certainly not the killers! :-0 Certainly not the prison guards! :-0 No, it must be "Louisiana" which is to blame, and, once again, personal responsibility is swept out the back door.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angola_3

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