Here's my guide to off fees:

Bars in Thailand charge off fees of between 200 baht and 500 baht.  The difference is less than $10.  If that little money makes a difference to you, you should be at home working instead of in Thailand on holiday.

Any questions?

It's not so much about the actual amount of money and whether I can afford it or not. I can. It is whether I get my money's worth. Sitting on torn plastic benches in a tatty bar with ear splitting music, a bunch of stinking smokers, cockroaches scurrying around and an ugly mamasan bleating in my ear to please select from the bored and overweight men in tesco underwear is a waste of money, for me. That's after I escaped the touts who physically assault me when I walk into Soi Twilight.

I love spending money, but I like it even better when I get my money's worth. At the moment that is not the case in Soi Twilight. It's like the overpriced Internet and cable tv services by True. You get less than in Europe, the quality of service is a lot worse, yet somehow you pay more. So I have a good lunch at the Oriental or the Sukhothai once or twice a month with the money that would otherwise go to Soi Twilight. It's expensive, but I get value for money. That's my choice.

asiagayboy wrote:

It's not so much about the actual amount of money and whether I can afford it or not. I can. It is whether I get my money's worth. Sitting on torn plastic benches in a tatty bar with ear splitting music, a bunch of stinking smokers, cockroaches scurrying around and an ugly mamasan bleating in my ear to please select from the bored and overweight men in tesco underwear is a waste of money, for me. That's after I escaped the touts who physically assault me when I walk into Soi Twilight.

I love spending money, but I like it even better when I get my money's worth. At the moment that is not the case in Soi Twilight. It's like the overpriced Internet and cable tv services by True. You get less than in Europe, the quality of service is a lot worse, yet somehow you pay more. So I have a good lunch at the Oriental or the Sukhothai once or twice a month with the money that would otherwise go to Soi Twilight. It's expensive, but I get value for money. That's my choice.

It's very simple, if you don't like it then stay in Europe and spend your money there!   Why bitch, whine and moan!!!  It's getting old!!  

homintern is on your IGNORE list.

asiagayboy wrote:

It's not so much about the actual amount of money and whether I can afford it or not. I can. It is whether I get my money's worth. Sitting on torn plastic benches in a tatty bar with ear splitting music, a bunch of stinking smokers, cockroaches scurrying around and an ugly mamasan bleating in my ear to please select from the bored and overweight men in tesco underwear is a waste of money, for me. That's after I escaped the touts who physically assault me when I walk into Soi Twilight.

I love spending money, but I like it even better when I get my money's worth. At the moment that is not the case in Soi Twilight. It's like the overpriced Internet and cable tv services by True. You get less than in Europe, the quality of service is a lot worse, yet somehow you pay more. So I have a good lunch at the Oriental or the Sukhothai once or twice a month with the money that would otherwise go to Soi Twilight. It's expensive, but I get value for money.


I must admit i have to agree ,soi twilight is getting worse ,i have only been going there 5 yeras on and off ,every time i go ,you can not go down the street with out been pulled and pushed ,the outside door people are just getting too heavy there ,pulling/dragging  customers who really dont want to go in there bars  , they very rarely get to the end of the soi ,because of the Bullies,this is surely off putting for new customers also because they never really get a chance to go where they want to go ,i have seen it first hand  on many occations,they do actually know me now so i dont get pulled has much ,but i do feel really sorry for the guys who do ,and you can clearly see on there faces they are not happy .
Why do they do thisi ,Well the main reason is if they get a guy in abar its 250/300 baht just to walk through the door so add it up , push and pull has many guys in t oa  bar has possible it soon adds up at 300 a shot.
 , choice.

markie1 wrote:

asiagayboy wrote:

It's not so much about the actual amount of money and whether I can afford it or not. I can. It is whether I get my money's worth. Sitting on torn plastic benches in a tatty bar with ear splitting music, a bunch of stinking smokers, cockroaches scurrying around and an ugly mamasan bleating in my ear to please select from the bored and overweight men in tesco underwear is a waste of money, for me. That's after I escaped the touts who physically assault me when I walk into Soi Twilight.

I love spending money, but I like it even better when I get my money's worth. At the moment that is not the case in Soi Twilight. It's like the overpriced Internet and cable tv services by True. You get less than in Europe, the quality of service is a lot worse, yet somehow you pay more. So I have a good lunch at the Oriental or the Sukhothai once or twice a month with the money that would otherwise go to Soi Twilight. It's expensive, but I get value for money.


I must admit i have to agree ,soi twilight is getting worse ,i have only been going there 5 yeras on and off ,every time i go ,you can not go down the street with out been pulled and pushed ,the outside door people are just getting too heavy there ,pulling/dragging  customers who really dont want to go in there bars  , they very rarely get to the end of the soi ,because of the Bullies,this is surely off putting for new customers also because they never really get a chance to go where they want to go ,i have seen it first hand  on many occations,they do actually know me now so i dont get pulled has much ,but i do feel really sorry for the guys who do ,and you can clearly see on there faces they are not happy .
Why do they do thisi ,Well the main reason is if they get a guy in abar its 250/300 baht just to walk through the door so add it up , push and pull has many guys in t oa  bar has possible it soon adds up at 300 a shot.
 , choice.

easy to avoid that problem, just say you are going to Dick's for a drink/dinner and they leave you alone

homintern is on your IGNORE list.

To be pedantic, Mai Ow actually means "Don't Want" but certainly does the job.

homintern wrote:

Is this a general principle - people are not permitted to say why they have an opinion?

A pot calling a kettle black?  

khorthodkrub wrote:

It's very simple, if you don't like it then stay in Europe and spend your money there!   Why bitch, whine and moan!!!  It's getting old!!  

Hmmm..if you were a shop assistant I'd get you fired on the spot. I'm a customer giving feedback but I'm told to shut up.

asiagayboy wrote:

khorthodkrub wrote:

It's very simple, if you don't like it then stay in Europe and spend your money there!   Why bitch, whine and moan!!!  It's getting old!!  

Hmmm..if you were a shop assistant I'd get you fired on the spot. I'm a customer giving feedback but I'm told to shut up.

Life ain't fair!   Customers are NOT always right!!  So outta my shop you cheap charlie....   

Homi, Kipling called on the USA to take up "The White Mans Burden" when we took the Philippines.  The poem was for America and Americans.  He wanted us to be as destructive of the native culture as the British were at the time.  Sad to say he succeeded.  Hardly a tradition I wish to carry on or to be proud of doing.  If you still believe imposed solutions work, then I have a job for you in Iraq.

homintern is on your IGNORE list.

homintern wrote:

Thanks for the history lesson (rich, coming from a native of the one country with no sense of history ...).  

Speaking of history - Which prison colony did your relative decend from?     

khorthodkrub wrote:

homintern wrote:

Thanks for the history lesson (rich, coming from a native of the one country with no sense of history ...).  

Speaking of history - Which prison colony did your relative decend from?     

Aunty has surely escaped from Cell Block H!