This is still cheap compared with Europe & the service is much better.

Last year in BKK, I typically paid something like 200~250 for a beer, the same for one for my "off", followed by an off fee around 350 and a 1100~1200 tip. Sometimes I had 1 drink in 3 different bars.
Pattaya was slightly cheaper & I paid similar tips short time, 2000 overnight.

Overall, I figure this is remarkable value, expecially when the hotel rooms are only 1100~1700bht.

Personally, I don't like to have more than 3 beers before offing a guy.
However, if you like the beer AND are cost conscious, why not have a couple of beers at a conventional bar before going to the go go bars? On Soi Duangthawee it's just nice to watch the guys walking past or trying to persuade customers to enter the massage parlours.

More to the point, where else in the world (excl Thailand) can you watch cute gogo dancers, off them (for little money) and expect good service in the bedroom?  In Europe, this just isn't possible. OK certain places in Prague have strip shows, but they are not so cute & service in the bedroom is very variable.

However, given the information I would choose to go to places with an "off-fee" that is well below 500bht.

homintern is on your IGNORE list.

You do like a good debate!

It's quite relevant when deciding where to take my holidays

Here's a comparison of a small proportion of expenses:

Thailand per day:
Hotel  £25; Off fee, 2 drinks + tip £35.  Total = £60

Prague per day:
Hotel £60; Off fee, tip & 2 drinks  £70  Total = £130

Over 2 weeks I save £980 which easily pays for the difference in air fare.

Also I prefer Thailand and can stay in a better hotel for the money quoted above. The Thai gogo bars are much nicer & the rent boys have a much better attitude to customer service (on average).  So Thailand wins for value for money and quality.

For a weekend trip, of course Prague is better.

z909 wrote:

You do like a good debate!

It's quite relevant when deciding where to take my holidays

Here's a comparison of a small proportion of expenses:

Thailand per day:
Hotel  £25; Off fee, 2 drinks + tip £35.  Total = £60

Prague per day:
Hotel £60; Off fee, tip & 2 drinks  £70  Total = £130

Over 2 weeks I save £980 which easily pays for the difference in air fare.

Also I prefer Thailand and can stay in a better hotel for the money quoted above. The Thai gogo bars are much nicer & the rent boys have a much better attitude to customer service (on average).  So Thailand wins for value for money and quality.

For a weekend trip, of course Prague is better.

I have also found the boys in Prague more in the mid to late twenties, and I do not feel as safe. I usually stay in a condo in
Prague and do not feel as safe walking around at night. The number of bars ad therefore the choice of boys is more limited in Prague compared to the choice in LOS

TrongpaiExpat wrote:

asiagayboy wrote:

My, so much invective just for asking a simple question and nobody has even given an answer.

Your post has not been up that long, give it some time, someone should know. Sorry, I don't, last I heard it was 400B, 500 for door men, waiter and some of the performers/dancers for the soi Twilight venues only. It seems that the BBB group sets the prices and everyone else follows.

Prices don't stay all that consistent on that soi. Sometimes the prices for drinks go up weekends, sometimes not.

I guess I was wrong, on page 2 and nobody knows nothin about the current price of a soi Twilight off but  many have a lot to say about it. I'll might be over there tonight and I will ask if anyone cares.

z909 writes: "Off fee, 2 drinks + tip £35."

That is a little over 2300 Baht. Hmm...how does one do that? Say you have 3 drinks (well, mostly ice with a drop of cola or something). That includes one for your chosen rent boy. That's a total 900 Baht. Then 500 Baht off fee, 1500 baht tip, 300 baht for a short time hotel, and voila, 3200 Baht spent. That's almost a 100 bucks. To tie this in with the thread about flying business class, I'd rather spend extra money flying in biz class comfort than having a few mediocre fucks.

homintern wrote:

asiagayboy wrote:

My, so much invective just for asking a simple question and nobody has even given an answer.

The management charge what they believe the market will bear, I guess.  As I have a little black book of bar boy phone numbers (disintermediation, don't forget, George) who pop around to fill in the time between drinks and dinner (the purpose for which sodomy was invented, as we all remember) before the bars open, it's a levy I avoid (like income tax)

It would be wise to firt ask the prospective "offed" if he knows whether he appears in that little black book.

Could be a plus-could be a minus as we don't for sure what evil sordid perversion Homintern is into !!

I only pay 1500 Baht for everything including the tip but then Im on a budget.  

I just walk into the bar , off the boy without any drinks and back to my apartement.  

Easy life.

yedo111 wrote:

I only pay 1500 Baht for everything including the tip but then Im on a budget.  
I just walk into the bar , off the boy without any drinks and back to my apartement.  
Easy life.

For an evening out you pay 1500bht, I've paid 2300bht and "Asiagayboy" says 3200bht is the cost.

Well, I figure even 3200bht is damn good value for drinks and paid sex.
For those that can't or won't pay for the drinks, it's possible to trim your expenditure down as suggested here. So I don't see the need to complain endlessly.  
On the other hand, publishing "off fees here" is a useful service, so we can exercise our judgement & avoid bars that are not good value.
This is the way to ensure the market is efficient & prices are kept down. I figure many of us would just pay up if we had selected the boy & then found the off fee was 150bht more than expected. So it's good to know in advance.

In Bangkok I find in the mornings I have gone over budget @ 9000bT/night but I am just there a couple days before I head for Jomtien.
The first couple days are a big thrill to be in Bangkok and Thailand, even after 10 years of going,  and I DO tend to overspend.

And agreeing  with Homitern the average goes WAY down because I usually don't actually to that many "take outs" on vacation, settling down and just having the fun of the hunt. More fun just to "shop around"

“I just walk into the bar , off the boy without any drinks…”

Some bars in Pattaya charge a higher off fee if a drink is not purchased.

I'm all for this idea of Z909 to publish off fees and drinks prices for various bars. Can it be made into a sticky thread?

Do you really think that is necessary, considering that the difference between the cheapest and the most expensive is only the matter of pocket change?  Well, I suppose there are people out there for whom a difference of $3-$5 might require careful deliberation, and counting of pennies.  Probably the same people stuck in cattle class with allieb.

asiagayboy wrote:

I'm all for this idea of Z909 to publish off fees and drinks prices for various bars. Can it be made into a sticky thread?

And as soon as its published, it'll be out of date. Then someone will come back whinging that such and such a bar charged 50 baht more than the price posted on SGT.

fattman wrote:

asiagayboy wrote:

I'm all for this idea of Z909 to publish off fees and drinks prices for various bars. Can it be made into a sticky thread?

And as soon as its published, it'll be out of date. Then someone will come back whinging that such and such a bar charged 50 baht more than the price posted on SGT.

A thread discussing off fees can be read by people who like to budget carefully and can be ignored by people who dislike to read whinging.  
There is no need whatsoever to whinge about off fees.
Either pay the price requested, or go elsewhere & if you really want, post the off fees here so others can make informed decisions.