Didn't you notice that Billy uses HIV / AIDS as a constant theme? Here's an earlier remark by Dame Edith:

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Only my worthless opinion but I think you, vbbb, are a 'crosser' one who proves his point by intentionally assuming the opposite or offending position. Whether intentional or not, you do an excellent job of it.

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Get it yet, m'dear? Barebacking.....  

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...I dont think guardian angels should stop at helping boys like PGF does.There are young girls in the sex trade too.

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The Pattaya Gay Festival through Dr. Phillipe helps all with AIDS -- girls, boys, men and women.



(I have been calling Monty for thirty minutes, but his line is busy.  I shall continue.)

I have just been to Wat Chi south Pattaya rd.

I found 2 not 1 men sleeping rough, out side the school, oppisit the wat.

I woke the very thin man and thou gh one of my staff  aked his name, it is Lat. he is from Corat, I asked him if he needed any help, and told him we had a care house, where he could sleep, and have food, he thanked me ,but said his friend was mou, drunk,and would not leave him.I told him his friend could come with him, then tryed to get a baht bus for them. I stoped 3, I offererd to pay the drivers 200 bht

to take them with me to the next soi. where the care house is. All 3 drove off.

I then asked Lat if he could walk, he told me he  could , but did not want to go , as he and his friend were going back t Corat tomorrow. I sent my boy to the 7/11 store to get them some nam & food.

While i was waiting, 2  farlangs gave him some baht.

When we left him, and sleeping friend, Lat gave me a smile and a wha, in thanks.

 I will check on him tomorrow.

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Didn't you notice that Billy uses HIV / AIDS as a constant theme? Here's an earlier remark by Dame Edith:

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Anyone who has read this board for any length of time wil know that Billy has boasted of his barebacking, so what is your point? If it is that I was not aware of BBB's previous claims on various boards to his BB then you are wrong.



However the post did raise a valid point, that you cannot dismiss.In case you missed the point: Many of the boys/girls working in the sex trade are being paid to accept a death sentence by some sex tourists/residents. That may be an uncomfortable fact to accept but nevertheless it is the truth.

I just talked to Monty on the phone.  Who knows -- the healthier drunk specimen could well be using the emaciated one to attract contributions for booze.  As Monty says, the thin one told him they would go to Khorat tomorrow.  (Unlikely as three songteows refused to take them three blocks for 200 bt.)  At any rate, they refused help from Monty so I guess it’s “up to them”.



Monty is a good man, a credit to the continent.  He deserves an extra bowl (dish, plate, cup?) of vegemite.

 

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wil know that Billy has boasted of his barebacking, so what is your point?

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Never mind, m'dear - you stick to your NGO inspired wisdom. Try reading what Edith wrote if you can't understand me.

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Many of the boys/girls working in the sex trade are being paid to accept a death sentence by some sex tourists/residents. That may be an uncomfortable fact to accept but nevertheless it is the truth.

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Only sex tourists and residents are HIV+? News to me, m'dear. Do you know what percentage of the population of sex workers work in the tourist outlets as opposed to the Thai only joints, Kinky Kong?

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It is however well authenticated by the W.H.O. that in regions where poverty encourages boys/girls into prostitution that the incidents of Aids and other associated diseases are well above the average

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Very true, but it would be equally true if no mention was made of boys/girls being encouraged into prostitution and it just referred to "poor regions", such as Africa.

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many boys and girls are now dying thanks to the lack of conscience of the sex tourist

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Very true too, probably, but many, many more are dying due to "lack of education, cultural fatalism, drug use, rural promiscuity, and numerous other factors".

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Many of the boys/girls working in the sex trade are being paid to accept a death sentence by some sex tourists/residents. That may be an uncomfortable fact to accept but nevertheless it is the truth

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It is indeed the truth, but only a relatively small part of it. Even if every "sex tourist / resident" (presumably ex-pat) were to practice safe sex starting tomorrow this would of itself probably only have a marginal effect on the overall growth of HIV/Aids in Thailand; it would be a fine example, but what is needed is education starting at the grass roots level, as Meechai did.    

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Do you know what percentage of the population of sex workers work in the tourist outlets as opposed to the Thai only joints,

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No do you? Of course not  because there are no such statistics. However I am aware that many of the sex workers work in both Thai only and 'tourist' joints. Here in Bangkok a lot of the people in the families of kids we work with sell themselves in both and there is no reason to suppose that those who work in the Thai only bars in Banglumung/North Pattaya are any different.  Or at least there were not any different a few months back when I was based in Pattaya.



It is always interesting that people bring in the 'NGO' argument when they are unable to see or willing to accept the truth for reasons best known to themselves.



I don't think that BBB who raised the point has any connection with any NGO yet he can see the facts staring at him in front of his face.



However you have your view and I ( and many others) have mine), so we agree to differ.









 

Do you get paid for what you do, Kinky Kong? or is it a voluntary position?

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according to the Thailand Government Public Health Department, there are approximately 75,000 prostitutes in Thailand. However several well-informed non governmental organization (NGO) groups estimate that the number of prostitutes at any given time is close to 2 million.  This figure represents 9% of female adult population and 3.15% of total population

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According to reliable surveys of sexual behaviour, every day at least 450,000 Thai men visit prostitutes.

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According to the Tourism Authority of Thailand, 2,650,992 tourists arrived from Europe in 2002. There were 730,402 from the Americas (USA, Canada & Mexico), 427,109 from Australia & New Zealand and 245,822 from the Middle East.



Presupposing that the vast majority of sex tourists (90%+) are men, the above-mentioned figures are reduced to Europe = 1,473,829 men, Americas = 404,680, A&NZ = 240,958 and M.E. = 191,036.



TAT's figures also show that 8.72% of Europe's visitors, 8.43% of Americas' visitors, 1.2% of A & NZ's visitors and 4.32% of M.E.'s visitors were under the age of 15 and therefore are unlikely to have been sex tourists.



The final, aggregate figure amounts to 2,140,729 "farang" males.



The average length of stay was 8.4 days.



Although unrealistic by any stretch of the imagination, for the purpose of this report the writer will assume that every "farang" man engaged the services of a prostitute on every day of their visit.



This would equate to 49,266 visits to a prostitute per day.



Compared to the survey which indicates that every day at least 450,000 Thai men visit prostitutes, the "farang" component represents only 10% of the total daily visits to prostitutes in Thailand.

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These figures are from an analysis carried out by a contributor to the Stickman column.  

Thank goodness someone with a little sense has stepped in to challenge this misguided expression of ‘NGO conventional wisdom’ (sic). Kudos to Dr. Anne.

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Many of the boys/girls working in the sex trade are being paid to accept a death sentence by some sex tourists/residents.

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King Kong, your statement just isn’t logical.  Rather than farang being the problem, isn’t it the HIV positive Thai sex workers who are handing out death sentences to many of their customers day in and day out?  Think about it: these Thai sex workers have made the conscious decision to enter the sex trade, and sex is the #1 means of transmission of HIV.  A Thai sex worker has sex day in and day out with many farang, in the course of his/her business. If that Thai does not insist on totally safe sex, then how many farang is the Thai giving it to?  In fact the real threat for broad-scale HIV infection is not the farang john but the Thai sex worker, who is a greater conduit for transmission of the disease to a larger audience.



No, I personally don’t believe that the Thai sex workers are a greater or lesser threat than any farang. My point is that the situation is far too complex to be accurately characterized by simplistic and inflammatory claims like ‘farang are handing out death sentences to Thai’.  Such statements do not portray an astute understanding of the problem, but rather an obvious antipathy for farang in Thailand (which is manifest in the body of your postings to this board in general and this thread in particular).

 

Edited by: SF farang at: 14/11/05 2:01 am